it's becoming the ' in ' thing
maybe the ' smart ' or ' intellectual ' thing
to slide scripture across the table
more and more in the direction of fable
stopping at myth along the way ..
or versa vice
in the doing of that there are as many positions as there are points on the route ..
were there miracles ?
which will we allow ?
did God ever step in along the way and do something outside the 'laws of nature' ?
could he ? ..
and that's just the miracles issue ..
that was one of the easier issues to point at
there are a plethora of others
and a multiplicity of combinations of positions on the various issues
... . . . .
for some time i have been walking a discovery trail
Bible in hand
marking places here and there along the way
with some carving in a tree or some underlining in a text
lookouts and jumpoffs and particularly awesome spots and potentially dangerous places ..
it's a personal journey
i have to go there alone
although i stop many places on the road, discussing this or that spot on the trail with other travellers over coffee or a local brew ..
listening, mostly
one thing i have decided ..
there aren't as many ' musts ' as i used to fight for
in fact there are far fewer
and i'm willing to walk a long stretch of road with folk that disagree with my theothink
because there's more to be insync about than to divide around..
point .. i'd appreciate it if you would offer me the same respect and consideration in your walk ..
that is, while you might think of my position as antiquated or unintelligent or whatever
treat me like family and not like some lost child
some black sheep on the run
... . ... . . .
now let's pick a jumpoff point to illustrate ..
given that there are several types of genre used in scripture
poetry and narrative and apocalyptic and whatever ...
and given that the books were written over a very long period
allowing for social changes over the centuries and the morphing of oral/literary style to suit
and given that science sheds light on history ..
given givens like that
i allow for differences of opinion on most things
one issue that pops it's head up regularly, gopher-like
our jumpoff
is the creation story ..
touchy ..
particularly touchy in that it speaks not only to revelation
but to factuality, as in supportable by science ..
while i have historically signed-on to the creation view
my take has allowed for the time frame that science supports - billions, rather than thousands of years
either by allowing for God to have created with the appearance of age
creating with maturity in mind
or by allowing for something like the Gap Theory
whereby there was an ' interruption ' in the time flow of the narrative
particularly between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 ..
or something similar ..
i'm open ..
my philosophy being that God personally created ..
for me, all is built around that core issue
and evolution diss'es that ..
here's why my philosophy ..
it presents God as being intimately involved in the creation, particularly the creation of the human ..
it is the perfect expression of loving involvement
firstly in the act of forming the human from the dirt
and then, beautifully, in breathing life into that form..
marvelous wonderful loving God ..
that's not an issue of genre or interpretational framework or historical setting ..
it's simply an observation i have made over time across the grand scope of Scripture, epitomized in Messiah Jesus himself
and in the kind of person i see revealed in his life ..
to me, ultimately, the issue of a more or less literal view of the creation erupts from the aura of the Scriptures as a whole
which posits a God rooted in love
demonstrated most boldly on a cross
but pointed-to in other places,
like the very same creation account
the same God that personally shed his otherworldy attributes and his glory
and took upon himself the form of the very human he created
humbling himself
Creator becoming servant
serving his creation to the point dying ..
that same God personally gathered dirt and molded it with his hands to form a body into which he breathed life
creating human
in the very image and likeness of him, Creator
incredible
and the only theological tenet applied is integrity - the wholeness and consistency of Scripture as a whole..
so that, when you empty my creation bucket on the ground
what remains is not a scientific issue or a particular theological positioning
it's a leaning towards the love of God illustrated in the intimacy of personally creating human in his own likeness and image ..
that along with Jesus own repeated testimony to it in his own words
for red-letter christians ..
i cannot think of a better place to sit on that issue
at least for now ..
i'm there
regardless of theological bents on the one hand
regardless of scientific postulates on the other
where are you ?
why are you there ?
where do you get your view of it ?
.. . .
for me it's not a matter of literal vs. non-literal
it's a matter of testimony to my rabbi
my master
the perfected revelation of God
and creator ..
Word incarnate .. . . . .
word
shalom
Not that it matters a rat's arse to anyone but God and me, but I believe the Bible. When we humans decide we are equal or even smarter than God to know that creationism is bunk, we enter a dangerous area. We are telling God we don't believe Him. Who are we, mere humans, to pick and choose what in the Bible is real and what is a story, creating a buffet where WE choose? That is a slap in the face to God.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this comment someone made: " I think you can have the same beautiful values with evolution. I have come to accept evolution based on its overwhelming evidence. In my opinion it does not take God out of the story my friend. We have to also consider that science did not emerge until 2,000 years after Genesis was written. They would not have understood things on a cellular level. This oral tradition (in my opinion) was not attempting to describe how God created the world, but rather to describe the God who created it and the love he had for his Creation. Although I believe in unity of the church despite theological opinions. "
ReplyDeletehere's another comment .. " First, I have gotten to see that sculpture in person at the Rodin Museum in Paris, it is gorgeous. Second, you know I disagree with you. Here is the reason I think it is important to see the creation story as a beautiful metaphor. If we deny evolution, and it is a fact (a scientific theory is actually a fact - theory in that sense is not a theory in the sense we usually think of it), then we can deny any other science we want to deny, and that is what is happening with our government leaders right now. Climate change - nope, don't want to believe that. I even had a person tell me once that we didn't need to worry about how we treated the earth because God would fix it. There are serious consequences with putting creationism or intelligent design pseudo-scientific teaching in our schools. There are serious consequences with our political leaders thinking they can deny any scientific facts they want to to fit their view of the world. Scientific literacy and Faith do not have to be mutually exclusive. I believe in God and I believe that science explains a lot of God's beautiful natural world. I see incredible beauty and mystery in evolution and in the big bang, etc. "
ReplyDeletethanks for those comments .. looking for others to join in the discussion ..
ReplyDeleteI, perhaps, won't sound as well educated on the discussion of how long creation took or whether there was a gap (as assumed in the gap theory), but I'll just throw a few words in the mix. I find it somewhat humorous when we shell God up to be incapable of developing a world as we see it today in seven, 24-hour days. Believe me when I say that I am not accusing you of believing God to be incapable of this. I have read your other posts and see that you believe in the power of God. But I think to myself... why not 7 hours, minutes, seconds? We could go on about how it structured a seven day week for us and gave us the day of rest, etc. But my point is, God could have formed this world and this universe in a much shorter span. So why must I attempt to find reasons to believe a billion year earth? Once again, I know there are many differing viewpoints that can develop into a massive discussion on the origins of the earth. Me personally, I believe the earth was created with age in a seven day period.
ReplyDeletei was waiting to see if any more comments were going to come in .. thanks for posting this. meanwhile i'll post an article i recently read - i like the way it describes the issue from an evolution perspective ..
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